Comments on: The Gospel According to Judas http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/judas-again/ Toujours Le Meme Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:28:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Neil Hobbs http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/judas-again/#comment-2500 Neil Hobbs Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:39:56 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/215/#comment-2500 I reckon the judas excuss explains a lot about our business leaders and politions behaviour I reckon the judas excuss explains a lot about our business leaders and politions behaviour

]]> By: Rastaman http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/judas-again/#comment-2465 Rastaman Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:00:10 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/215/#comment-2465 Of course the bible is real. My buttocks are real and considering their construction, are also holy. (sp) Equally holy to as the bible anyway, or koran or any other book that believer types fawn over. The whole point of the Roman priests making a traitor out of Judas was to make a martyr out of Jesus. Let's not forget it was the Romans who snatched up and absconded with Christianity, they who always knew a good thing when they saw it and were the masters of the Jews at that time anyway. I mean, let the Jews complain, screw 'em. The rabbis were only too happy to denounce Christianity anyway. It makes perfect sense that the fave disciple would be the one to take on the most dangerous task. After all, think how pissed off all the other disciples must have been at Judas, if they weren't in on the arrangement. Dangerous to be Judas after that kiss. Maybe he didn't hang himself, maybe some friends of Jesus did that "for" him. It's all just historical hoohah, God had nothing to do with it. There is a difference I wish the world would figure out, between Spirituality and Religion. Religion is special clothing and books and buildings and trappings and songs and rituals and special words and special teachers. Religious people who believe in God have never been in the presence of God. Spirituality is talking directly to God. Spiritual people are in the presence of God anytime they want to be. There is a God. Religions are all bullshit. Of course the bible is real. My buttocks are real and considering their construction, are also holy. (sp) Equally holy to as the bible anyway, or koran or any other book that believer types fawn over. The whole point of the Roman priests making a traitor out of Judas was to make a martyr out of Jesus. Let’s not forget it was the Romans who snatched up and absconded with Christianity, they who always knew a good thing when they saw it and were the masters of the Jews at that time anyway. I mean, let the Jews complain, screw ‘em. The rabbis were only too happy to denounce Christianity anyway.
It makes perfect sense that the fave disciple would be the one to take on the most dangerous task. After all, think how pissed off all the other disciples must have been at Judas, if they weren’t in on the arrangement. Dangerous to be Judas after that kiss. Maybe he didn’t hang himself, maybe some friends of Jesus did that “for” him. It’s all just historical hoohah, God had nothing to do with it.
There is a difference I wish the world would figure out, between Spirituality and Religion.

Religion is special clothing and books and buildings and trappings and songs and rituals and special words and special teachers. Religious people who believe in God have never been in the presence of God.

Spirituality is talking directly to God.
Spiritual people are in the presence of God anytime they want to be.

There is a God. Religions are all bullshit.

]]> By: Wolfie http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/judas-again/#comment-2461 Wolfie Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:45:13 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/215/#comment-2461 That's a good point and I must admit that the Revelations is the <i>"joker in the pack"</i> and even though I suspect that is was just the lunatic ravings of St John after spending too long in exile on Patmos. I've had a nasty Metaxa experience there myself. It could also be a forgery. There are many views to this work ranging from it being about 1st century politics to a futuristic prophesy (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">listed in wikipedia here</a>) but what is most important is that it in no way relates to the life of Christ or his teachings and secondly is sufficiently vague and cryptic to not exactly be a prophesy in the way that the life of Christ was quite meticulously foretold. Its not a script, its a few vague hints. Anyway, if anyone starts using Revelations in an argument its time to make your excuses and leave - they might bite. That’s a good point and I must admit that the Revelations is the “joker in the pack” and even though I suspect that is was just the lunatic ravings of St John after spending too long in exile on Patmos. I’ve had a nasty Metaxa experience there myself. It could also be a forgery. There are many views to this work ranging from it being about 1st century politics to a futuristic prophesy (listed in wikipedia here) but what is most important is that it in no way relates to the life of Christ or his teachings and secondly is sufficiently vague and cryptic to not exactly be a prophesy in the way that the life of Christ was quite meticulously foretold. Its not a script, its a few vague hints.

Anyway, if anyone starts using Revelations in an argument its time to make your excuses and leave - they might bite.

]]> By: xoggoth http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/judas-again/#comment-2459 xoggoth Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:14:20 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/215/#comment-2459 I don't believe any of that personally, but if you consider the bible is real then how can you argue the pre-ordained script has ended when there is the Book Of Revelations that some take so seriously? What about the false prophet or the beast? Presumably they have a let out to be as false or as beastly as they like and still get to heaven. I don’t believe any of that personally, but if you consider the bible is real then how can you argue the pre-ordained script has ended when there is the Book Of Revelations that some take so seriously? What about the false prophet or the beast? Presumably they have a let out to be as false or as beastly as they like and still get to heaven.

]]> By: Wolfie http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/judas-again/#comment-2452 Wolfie Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:39:28 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/215/#comment-2452 Hello Xogg, I'm glad you mentioned that because that is exactly why the church get so hot under the collar over this letting Judas off the hook business but only because people don't understand the timeline properly. It wasn't until Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection that the contract between man and God was signed. Prior to this event redemption was only through piety and afterwards through belief and acceptance of Christ. The pre-ordained script comes to a close at the point of resurrection, from that point onwards its our choice. Jesus talks about this : <blockquote><b>Luke 24:44 - </b>And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.</blockquote> So anyone claiming pre-ordination post resurrection is just blowing smoke in your eyes. Hello Xogg,

I’m glad you mentioned that because that is exactly why the church get so hot under the collar over this letting Judas off the hook business but only because people don’t understand the timeline properly. It wasn’t until Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection that the contract between man and God was signed. Prior to this event redemption was only through piety and afterwards through belief and acceptance of Christ. The pre-ordained script comes to a close at the point of resurrection, from that point onwards its our choice.

Jesus talks about this :

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

So anyone claiming pre-ordination post resurrection is just blowing smoke in your eyes.

]]> By: xoggoth http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/judas-again/#comment-2450 xoggoth Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:17:40 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2006/04/09/215/#comment-2450 I will let you off your heresy of commenting on something I commented on months ago http://www.xoggoth.org/bloggoth4.html#judas It seems to me that once you start absolving Judas because he was part of god's plan you open the door to anyone claiming the same thing. I will let you off your heresy of commenting on something I commented on months ago

http://www.xoggoth.org/bloggoth4.html#judas

It seems to me that once you start absolving Judas because he was part of god’s plan you open the door to anyone claiming the same thing.

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