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	<title>Comments on: More Swindling</title>
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		<title>By: Wolfie</title>
		<link>http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/03/13/more-swindling/#comment-2719</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know about that Stef, I've not done a body count but it doesn't leave enough "experts" in the documentary standing to give it enough weight to be entirely credible. Cheating on Dr. Wunsch like that is serious too.

Yes I agree that some of AIT was bad but its main error was over-simplification; comparing the two side by side it was a lot better documentary than this one.

Yes, I have said the CO2/t lag is a debatable issue so I agree with you on that issue but its not sufficient evidence to knock flat the whole of climate science - it simply requires more vigorous investigation. However I disagree that current trends "fit happily" into historical variability - yes the world has been hotter but not got hot so fast nor with such fast extinction rate and the documentary distorted that data quite dishonestly.

You don't need to tell me how flawed scientists are, it was my childhood dream to do research but the reality was far short of what I expected [that's another story] but that doesn't make them wicked or wrong [barring the odd bad apple].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about that Stef, I&#8217;ve not done a body count but it doesn&#8217;t leave enough &#8220;experts&#8221; in the documentary standing to give it enough weight to be entirely credible. Cheating on Dr. Wunsch like that is serious too.</p>
<p>Yes I agree that some of AIT was bad but its main error was over-simplification; comparing the two side by side it was a lot better documentary than this one.</p>
<p>Yes, I have said the CO2/t lag is a debatable issue so I agree with you on that issue but its not sufficient evidence to knock flat the whole of climate science - it simply requires more vigorous investigation. However I disagree that current trends &#8220;fit happily&#8221; into historical variability - yes the world has been hotter but not got hot so fast nor with such fast extinction rate and the documentary distorted that data quite dishonestly.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to tell me how flawed scientists are, it was my childhood dream to do research but the reality was far short of what I expected [that's another story] but that doesn&#8217;t make them wicked or wrong [barring the odd bad apple].</p>
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
		<link>http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/03/13/more-swindling/#comment-2718</link>
		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of what you say is so.  Now, the real problem is your utilization of 'loosing', meaning 'releasing', as distinct from 'losing' which in the English language means 'not winning'.

&lt;h3&gt;Wolfie : Well spotted James, pardon my typo. Now corrected.&lt;/h3&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of what you say is so.  Now, the real problem is your utilization of &#8216;loosing&#8217;, meaning &#8216;releasing&#8217;, as distinct from &#8216;losing&#8217; which in the English language means &#8216;not winning&#8217;.</p>
<h3>Wolfie : Well spotted James, pardon my typo. Now corrected.</h3>
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		<title>By: Stef</title>
		<link>http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/03/13/more-swindling/#comment-2717</link>
		<dc:creator>Stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That piece you linked to on climatedenial.org is somewhat selective about which of the scientists who appeared on the show it decides to subject to an ad hominem attack. There was some solid evidence from some solid guys, a couple of whom were actually in the IPCC.

There was cack in that program sure enough, but there's a heap of cack in an 'Inconvenient Truth' too but that cack, of course, suits a higher purpose and gets a free pass.

The issues raised by the C02 vs. temperature lag from ice core data have most certainly not been properly addressed. Nor has the fact that many of the supposed indicators of recent climate change fit quite happily into the range of historical variability

Sad to say there are bullshitters and shills on both sides of the debate but what's new about that? What this does represent is a loss of innocence, for some people at least, when it comes to holding up popular science and scientists as paragons of virtue. They're not. They're just people same as the rest of us, with all the flaws that go with that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That piece you linked to on climatedenial.org is somewhat selective about which of the scientists who appeared on the show it decides to subject to an ad hominem attack. There was some solid evidence from some solid guys, a couple of whom were actually in the IPCC.</p>
<p>There was cack in that program sure enough, but there&#8217;s a heap of cack in an &#8216;Inconvenient Truth&#8217; too but that cack, of course, suits a higher purpose and gets a free pass.</p>
<p>The issues raised by the C02 vs. temperature lag from ice core data have most certainly not been properly addressed. Nor has the fact that many of the supposed indicators of recent climate change fit quite happily into the range of historical variability</p>
<p>Sad to say there are bullshitters and shills on both sides of the debate but what&#8217;s new about that? What this does represent is a loss of innocence, for some people at least, when it comes to holding up popular science and scientists as paragons of virtue. They&#8217;re not. They&#8217;re just people same as the rest of us, with all the flaws that go with that</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfie</title>
		<link>http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/03/13/more-swindling/#comment-2715</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you would like to offer an example of what you deem to be a "controversial comment" exactly. Then we could discuss it, I'm quite happy to discuss anything you like.

I can understand why the moderator might decide to delete some comments as its quite common in matters like these for uninformed individuals to "bog down" the discussion with inane or irrational arguments or presenting resolutely discredited material repetitiously.

Peer review is merely a scientific approach which increases certainly or validity. Nobody is selling absolutes only degrees of certainty to use as a stepping-stone towards a more refined model in the future.

It stands to reason; if my research cannot be repeated then I'm incompetent or a fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you would like to offer an example of what you deem to be a &#8220;controversial comment&#8221; exactly. Then we could discuss it, I&#8217;m quite happy to discuss anything you like.</p>
<p>I can understand why the moderator might decide to delete some comments as its quite common in matters like these for uninformed individuals to &#8220;bog down&#8221; the discussion with inane or irrational arguments or presenting resolutely discredited material repetitiously.</p>
<p>Peer review is merely a scientific approach which increases certainly or validity. Nobody is selling absolutes only degrees of certainty to use as a stepping-stone towards a more refined model in the future.</p>
<p>It stands to reason; if my research cannot be repeated then I&#8217;m incompetent or a fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Question Authoority</title>
		<link>http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/03/13/more-swindling/#comment-2714</link>
		<dc:creator>Question Authoority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real Climate site having a debate?

That is a farce.

Most of my more controversial comments were deleted, some after they were initially posted.

It seems that site can't take any serious criticism of the global warming crowd.

I love the way they think that if something is "peer-reviewed", it must be true. They are as much true believers as the most fundamentalist christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real Climate site having a debate?</p>
<p>That is a farce.</p>
<p>Most of my more controversial comments were deleted, some after they were initially posted.</p>
<p>It seems that site can&#8217;t take any serious criticism of the global warming crowd.</p>
<p>I love the way they think that if something is &#8220;peer-reviewed&#8221;, it must be true. They are as much true believers as the most fundamentalist christians.</p>
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