Comments on: Floodland http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/ Toujours Le Meme Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:02:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Wolfie http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2887 Wolfie Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:16:48 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2887 James, I rather suspect that you have misunderstood the thrust of my post. I am not denying the existence or mechanism of anthropic climate change, indeed I have written many articles highlighting the seriousness of the threat. What I am saying is that there is little evidence that the recent spate of British flooding was the result of climate change, in fact the evidence suggests that it is part of a natural cycle which affects the British Isles. I don't think that assertion is counter to the long-term climate models, existing cycles have not disappeared entirely yet and I have not seen any claims by scientists that the flooding was caused by anthropic changes; only politicians and pundits. James, I rather suspect that you have misunderstood the thrust of my post. I am not denying the existence or mechanism of anthropic climate change, indeed I have written many articles highlighting the seriousness of the threat. What I am saying is that there is little evidence that the recent spate of British flooding was the result of climate change, in fact the evidence suggests that it is part of a natural cycle which affects the British Isles. I don’t think that assertion is counter to the long-term climate models, existing cycles have not disappeared entirely yet and I have not seen any claims by scientists that the flooding was caused by anthropic changes; only politicians and pundits.

]]> By: jameshigham http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2886 jameshigham Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:59:15 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2886 It's not me - it's the scientists you're decrying and the vast body of scientific opinion. But it's a free world and we can hold whatever delusions we choose until Gordon legislates them away. It’s not me - it’s the scientists you’re decrying and the vast body of scientific opinion. But it’s a free world and we can hold whatever delusions we choose until Gordon legislates them away.

]]> By: Welshcakes Limoncello http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2885 Welshcakes Limoncello Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:44:17 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2885 An excellent post and I agree with you. I remember terrible floods in britain back in the 50s and then there didn't seem to be any until recently. I can hear James sighing from here! An excellent post and I agree with you. I remember terrible floods in britain back in the 50s and then there didn’t seem to be any until recently.

I can hear James sighing from here!

]]> By: Wolfie http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2884 Wolfie Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:17:23 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2884 Am I to take that as disagreement James? Am I to take that as disagreement James?

]]> By: jameshigham http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2883 jameshigham Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:14:29 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2883 Sigh! Sigh!

]]> By: Wolfie http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2882 Wolfie Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:22:00 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2882 Chertiozhnik @ I have been unable to locate online resources myself and refer to printed material I have access to. This information is held by the environment agency under copyright and has not been made publicly available, I understand there is a campaign to have it released but it isn't getting much support. Make what you will of that. Stef @ <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/07/30/easelect130.xml" rel="nofollow">Perhaps unsurprisingly the government's carbon targets</a> partially exclude aviation and shipping emissions, our worst offenders, whilst middle-class individuals are pummelled with a guilt-ridden propaganda campaign. There's something rather tragic about religiously sorting your recycling while each major airport gets an extra terminal, the budget airlines compete for new routes and China eclipses our national output every six months. Chertiozhnik @

I have been unable to locate online resources myself and refer to printed material I have access to. This information is held by the environment agency under copyright and has not been made publicly available, I understand there is a campaign to have it released but it isn’t getting much support. Make what you will of that.

Stef @

Perhaps unsurprisingly the government’s carbon targets partially exclude aviation and shipping emissions, our worst offenders, whilst middle-class individuals are pummelled with a guilt-ridden propaganda campaign. There’s something rather tragic about religiously sorting your recycling while each major airport gets an extra terminal, the budget airlines compete for new routes and China eclipses our national output every six months.

]]> By: Stef http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2881 Stef Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:41:06 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2881 Yup, couldn't agree with the post more The scary thing is that so much effort is being poured into faux solutions to Climate Change whilst people's focus on real solutions to inevitable climate change is being distracted I hear the expressions 'It's better than doing nothing/ At least We're doing something' used a lot these days whenever anyone challenges the latest nonsense initiative - carbon trading, the latest supermarket PR stunt, what have you but actually if these ineffective solutions are misdirecting people they are actually positively harmful Yup, couldn’t agree with the post more

The scary thing is that so much effort is being poured into faux solutions to Climate Change whilst people’s focus on real solutions to inevitable climate change is being distracted

I hear the expressions ‘It’s better than doing nothing/ At least We’re doing something’ used a lot these days whenever anyone challenges the latest nonsense initiative - carbon trading, the latest supermarket PR stunt, what have you

but actually if these ineffective solutions are misdirecting people they are actually positively harmful

]]> By: Phil A http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2880 Phil A Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:18:16 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2880 My bet would be that the flooding was made worse by increased run-off, caused by modern building, roadbuilding and land management techniques, as you mentioned. My bet would be that the flooding was made worse by increased run-off, caused by modern building, roadbuilding and land management techniques, as you mentioned.

]]> By: Chertiozhnik http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2879 Chertiozhnik Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:30:31 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2879 Great post, do you have any links to references that show historic flooding levels? I've found a few but rather vague ones. Great post, do you have any links to references that show historic flooding levels? I’ve found a few but rather vague ones.

]]> By: Wolfie http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2878 Wolfie Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:54:11 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2878 Thank you Sophia, I am mightily flattered. The thing is, for all the drama and rhetoric this is nothing more than an engineering problem made into a political one by its endless neglect. Thank you Sophia, I am mightily flattered. The thing is, for all the drama and rhetoric this is nothing more than an engineering problem made into a political one by its endless neglect.

]]> By: Sophia http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2877 Sophia Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:30:56 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2877 Some correctiosn needed on my previous comment: This is a depassionate account of a dramatic situation. You have highlighted many worthy points and put them in their historical and actual context and that makes this little piece, not only worth but BETTER THAN ANY any article you read in the press. Some correctiosn needed on my previous comment:
This is a depassionate account of a dramatic situation. You have highlighted many worthy points and put them in their historical and actual context and that makes this little piece, not only worth but BETTER THAN ANY any article you read in the press.

]]> By: Sophia http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2876 Sophia Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:28:04 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/07/25/floodland/#comment-2876 This depassionate account of a dramatic situation. You have highlighted many worthy points and put them in their historical and actual context and that makes this little piece worth any article you read in the press. But don't you mean Hypothermia instead of Hyperthermia when you write: "but that is more likely to come in winter adjunct to the threat of hyperthermia amongst those made homeless" <h3>Sophia @ Thanks for spotting the typo, too much haste at the keyboard on my part. Now corrected. - Wolfie</h3> This depassionate account of a dramatic situation. You have highlighted many worthy points and put them in their historical and actual context and that makes this little piece worth any article you read in the press.
But don’t you mean Hypothermia instead of Hyperthermia when you write: “but that is more likely to come in winter adjunct to the threat of hyperthermia amongst those made homeless”

Sophia @ Thanks for spotting the typo, too much haste at the keyboard on my part. Now corrected. - Wolfie

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