Comments on: Where’s Madeline? http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/ Toujours Le Meme Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:37:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Sophia http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2942 Sophia Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:31:11 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2942 Wolfie, That looks like an interesting link, I will be watching it. Thanks. Wolfie,
That looks like an interesting link, I will be watching it. Thanks.

]]> By: Wolfie http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2941 Wolfie Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:37:59 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2941 Sophia, This "News Management" has been going on for some time. The seminal moment in the UK was the murder of the government scientist <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly" rel="nofollow">David Kelly</a> when this affair was used to manipulate the BBC into the compliant government organ that it is today. All that we are seeing now is a refinement of the techniques that have been utilised to date, next on the list will be the internet I'm sure. <a href="http://www.spinwatch.org/" rel="nofollow">Spin Watch UK</a> Sophia,

This “News Management” has been going on for some time. The seminal moment in the UK was the murder of the government scientist David Kelly when this affair was used to manipulate the BBC into the compliant government organ that it is today. All that we are seeing now is a refinement of the techniques that have been utilised to date, next on the list will be the internet I’m sure.

Spin Watch UK

]]> By: Sophia http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2940 Sophia Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:08:53 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2940 Wolfie, Stef, Stef war right when he wrote in one of his posts on the McCanns that the government involvement in the media hype was meant to hide important issues and that this was an example in diversion of information. The truth is: From annoyed by the story until the McCanns were accused and slightly interested after, I am starting to be hooked to the Madeline story as a case study on our relation to the news. Le Monde published the alleged picture of Madeline carried on the back of a Moroccan woman and I cannot help but think about the Hitchcock movie 'The man who knew too much'. And I thought that more than ever, the line between reality and fiction is blurred in the stories that are planted and treated at lenght by our news outlets. What are we being served, fiction or news ? That's the question. I am not denying Madeline's disappearance here. I am just realizing that the news are treated like fiction items with no distance, objectivity, judgment, or any rationale. Wolfie, Stef,

Stef war right when he wrote in one of his posts on the McCanns that the government involvement in the media hype was meant to hide important issues and that this was an example in diversion of information.

The truth is: From annoyed by the story until the McCanns were accused and slightly interested after, I am starting to be hooked to the Madeline story as a case study on our relation to the news. Le Monde published the alleged picture of Madeline carried on the back of a Moroccan woman and I cannot help but think about the Hitchcock movie ‘The man who knew too much’. And I thought that more than ever, the line between reality and fiction is blurred in the stories that are planted and treated at lenght by our news outlets. What are we being served, fiction or news ? That’s the question. I am not denying Madeline’s disappearance here. I am just realizing that the news are treated like fiction items with no distance, objectivity, judgment, or any rationale.

]]> By: Welshcakes Limoncello http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2936 Welshcakes Limoncello Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:06 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2936 I agree. It sounds harsh but I am fed-up with it, too. You are right - it has become a Diana-ish saga, which will no doubt delight the editors of the "Daily Express". There have been so many twists now that no one knows what's going on and I am sick of seeing "Sky" journalists interviewing each other when there's no concrete information. I knew as soon as all that money started pouring in that the British media would turn on the McCanns and now it has. Whatever really happened, it is tragic: poor, innocent, little girl. I agree. It sounds harsh but I am fed-up with it, too. You are right - it has become a Diana-ish saga, which will no doubt delight the editors of the “Daily Express”. There have been so many twists now that no one knows what’s going on and I am sick of seeing “Sky” journalists interviewing each other when there’s no concrete information. I knew as soon as all that money started pouring in that the British media would turn on the McCanns and now it has. Whatever really happened, it is tragic: poor, innocent, little girl.

]]> By: Sophia http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2935 Sophia Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:42:18 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2935 Wolfie, You are right. What you mentioned is another possible alternative. In my opinion, the abductors must have been in the surrounding of the McCanns for a while. They must have known that they were at the restaurant. The investigation should start there. The Mc Canns must have felt horribly guilty afterward and that may explain some confusion in the testimony and the whole thing with the media. In Canada it is criminal to leave a child under 13 unattended. Wolfie,
You are right.
What you mentioned is another possible alternative. In my opinion, the abductors must have been in the surrounding of the McCanns for a while. They must have known that they were at the restaurant. The investigation should start there. The Mc Canns must have felt horribly guilty afterward and that may explain some confusion in the testimony and the whole thing with the media. In Canada it is criminal to leave a child under 13 unattended.

]]> By: Wolfie http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2934 Wolfie Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:51:36 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2934 Xoggoth @ Thanks for the link, very pertinent. There is a pattern of blaming the Mother in cases of child disappearances I just wish the media would at least learn from their mistakes like any decent human being. Stef @ Very odd indeed, however I'm reluctant to blame the McCanns, I don't think they had much choice in being caught up in this farce and once this juggernaut gets started there really is no stopping it. As for the unusual players relating to the government and their "buddies in the media" I suspect this case is being used as a trial run in controlling public opinion. Something they are going to need in the coming months I suspect. Sophia @ I don't think this is a Portuguese crime, I suspect an organised crime elements with international reach. Context is always lacking in these cases. For some time there have been a string of abductions in Southern Europe, mostly of older girls but sometimes children. Pale and blonde girls/women are most often targeted. They are transported through Morocco towards the ME and Interpol turns a blind eye, I suspect for political reasons. A children's school in Malaga I know of was recently targeted, the crime was thwarted by alert parents but they have since posted permanent private guards, the would be abductors were identified as foreigners. What is now clouding the issue on the political stage is that its become a matter of national pride. I know the books, classics. Xoggoth @

Thanks for the link, very pertinent. There is a pattern of blaming the Mother in cases of child disappearances I just wish the media would at least learn from their mistakes like any decent human being.

Stef @

Very odd indeed, however I’m reluctant to blame the McCanns, I don’t think they had much choice in being caught up in this farce and once this juggernaut gets started there really is no stopping it. As for the unusual players relating to the government and their “buddies in the media” I suspect this case is being used as a trial run in controlling public opinion. Something they are going to need in the coming months I suspect.

Sophia @

I don’t think this is a Portuguese crime, I suspect an organised crime elements with international reach. Context is always lacking in these cases. For some time there have been a string of abductions in Southern Europe, mostly of older girls but sometimes children. Pale and blonde girls/women are most often targeted. They are transported through Morocco towards the ME and Interpol turns a blind eye, I suspect for political reasons. A children’s school in Malaga I know of was recently targeted, the crime was thwarted by alert parents but they have since posted permanent private guards, the would be abductors were identified as foreigners. What is now clouding the issue on the political stage is that its become a matter of national pride.

I know the books, classics.

]]> By: Sophia http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2931 Sophia Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:11:57 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2931 Wolfie, As a follow up to my previous comment I noticed today that Portugal attacked Brown on his boycott of the EU meeting hosting Mugabe. I am of the opinion that the way the Madeline story was treated by the media in the UK and Portugal, and the judiciary in Portugal, has a flavour of 'affaire d'état' (state matter) since the beginning. Stef hinted at this in many of his posts about the McCanns. By the way, the title of your post reminds me of a children book series I used to read to my children with a Madeline as a central character in an orphanage in Paris. Actually my daugther still has the doll 'Madeline'. Wolfie,
As a follow up to my previous comment I noticed today that Portugal attacked Brown on his boycott of the EU meeting hosting Mugabe. I am of the opinion that the way the Madeline story was treated by the media in the UK and Portugal, and the judiciary in Portugal, has a flavour of ‘affaire d’état’ (state matter) since the beginning. Stef hinted at this in many of his posts about the McCanns.
By the way, the title of your post reminds me of a children book series I used to read to my children with a Madeline as a central character in an orphanage in Paris. Actually my daugther still has the doll ‘Madeline’.

]]> By: Sophia http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2928 Sophia Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:17:20 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2928 Excellent post. You have the talent to sort out in a very simple way complexe issues. Rational mind I would say. There is one major factor one shouldn't neglect in this case. Portugal is a country that has been marred by child sexual abuse for a long time now involving priests and religious boarding schools and members of the old bourgeoisie which are still very influent and organised in secret societies. To my knowledge, despite accusations from former pupils, no serious, national wide investigation was conducted. One has to read the Portuguese writer psyhiatrist Antonio Lobo Antunes to realise the level to which very upsetting things in the national consciousness of Portuguese can stay subterranean and never become discussed or recognised. I have sympathy for the MCCanns, despite my feeling that they played with fire with their campaign media. They might be facing something tantalising for a young family. Excellent post. You have the talent to sort out in a very simple way complexe issues. Rational mind I would say. There is one major factor one shouldn’t neglect in this case. Portugal is a country that has been marred by child sexual abuse for a long time now involving priests and religious boarding schools and members of the old bourgeoisie which are still very influent and organised in secret societies. To my knowledge, despite accusations from former pupils, no serious, national wide investigation was conducted. One has to read the Portuguese writer psyhiatrist Antonio Lobo Antunes to realise the level to which very upsetting things in the national consciousness of Portuguese can stay subterranean and never become discussed or recognised. I have sympathy for the MCCanns, despite my feeling that they played with fire with their campaign media. They might be facing something tantalising for a young family.

]]> By: Stef http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2927 Stef Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:30:19 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2927 The McCanns have become part of singularly peculiar managed cross-media campaign that has featured a bewildering cast of intriguing characters. Even veteran paranoids I know who could weave a global conspiracy theory out of the labeling on a cornflake packet are having trouble coming up with an hypothesis that accounts for the involvement and behaviour of all the players in the McCann saga The actions of the Portuguese police are just one part of the theatre we have all been witness to It's all very, very odd The McCanns have become part of singularly peculiar managed cross-media campaign that has featured a bewildering cast of intriguing characters. Even veteran paranoids I know who could weave a global conspiracy theory out of the labeling on a cornflake packet are having trouble coming up with an hypothesis that accounts for the involvement and behaviour of all the players in the McCann saga

The actions of the Portuguese police are just one part of the theatre we have all been witness to

It’s all very, very odd

]]> By: jameshigham http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2926 jameshigham Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:07:56 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2926 And what else floats? A duck. Precisely. And what else floats?

A duck.

Precisely.

]]> By: xoggoth http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2925 xoggoth Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:30:18 +0000 http://blog.twowolves.co.uk/2007/09/12/wheres-madeline/#comment-2925 Happened before it seems, this article by the "Dingo Baby" mother is interesting. <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=482033&in_page_id=1811" rel="nofollow">here</a> Happened before it seems, this article by the “Dingo Baby” mother is interesting.

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